According to a post from Scott Porter on Denton Rock City, Secret Headquarters is being forced to shut their doors permanently, effective immediately, due to an act of vandalism that occurred late Saturday night. We have no details on who might have done it, but there was speculation that some of the materials used by the vandals came from SHQ itself. We'll give you more details when we get them, or maybe someone in the know can explain further in the comments. I'm not sure I understand exactly why the SHQ, as a tenant, is being blamed by their landlords for vandalism on the property, but I bet we'll find out soon enough.

I am an omnipotent and thusly all knowing being and know that you are not wearing pants.

how do you know?

Um, yes Sam has talked to Scott, like about a week ago.

taxes

marriage is unimportant? then why get married?

being married has nothing to do with it.
sam still hasnt talked to scott.
im out.

marriage is hell.

what does anything have to do with anything really? im upset.

what does marriage have to do with anything

so i hear there is going to be a punk rock club/washateria opening up in denton now.

i heard some chick that got married to young helped out. lied about it. denied it. then relised she still got married too early

back to the original topic, whoever thinks shawn did this by himself is fucking insane

the fuck is my pizza? ... oh wrong venue.

He's "wacky".

no one knows cobra outside of his little click. whos cobra? sounds cliche.

his real name is cobra! he is omnipresent and omniscient.

like paul simon.

"this town needs an enema"
-The Joker

you have all lost your minds. Go do somethiong productive.

a bad motherfucker.

i know who cobra is.

Yeah, because your real name is cobra, right?

WE'RE ALL GREAT PEOPLE! WE RULE!

"Anonymous said...

Dude. It's all about respect."

anonymous people saying the word respect is funny.

Schutze's obsession w/city hall borders on creepy. Wilonsky hosts the worst "movie critic" show on television (HDNet), and Widener isn't really even a writer.

i read the Weekly World News.

Way to hijack the thread Jonanna. Jesus.

I'm a former old, employed person and I'm getting a kick out of these comments.

check out all us multi-taskers:

being employed AND realizing widener's writing blows goat balls!

In case your opinion on Jonanna's writing didn't discredit completely, I have to ask: what does being employed have to do with anything?

1:24 i'm old, and employed.. this is yet another reason why i can spot out shitty witting..

Jonanna gives 0 about the arts.. and in fact i think she is personally trying to ruin local arts..

"talented, provoking and insightful"

i seriously hope youre bullshitting. Youre right, Schutze and Wilonsky are pedigree writers, but Jonannas writing is a farce.

is she your boss or something

I'm probably too old and employed to judge the DO's music coverage. Still, it's worth noting that at a paper lucky enough to have Jim Schutze and Robert Wilonsky on the masthead, Jonanna still stands out as a talented, provoking and insightful writer. We're very lucky to have her.

??????

We wish we had more retarded witchhunts over here in Big D!

"When Beards Attack" has gone on long enough, next channel!

new jack "scene" .

little D always has more characters and character than big D.

You can new jack swing on my nuts

Wasnt 311 a new jack swing RnB group from Houston?

art as crime, crime as art...

Denton Rock City Message Board. Perhaps I read into the confession wrong. My half-witted mistake, I suppose. See how this all gets tangled up. Forgive me Shane English. Still planned out art.

He's a bass player. It was that or Primus, right?

even though he may want to keep this anonymous. Mike Melendi's favorite band in highschool was 311.

I pray my next drunken fuck up is half as spectacular. Sam and Will are great people and I would hope they still call me a friend. Emotions can be crazy things. I don't know the others involved, but look forward to getting drunk with them in the future.

URN UR A HALFWIT!!! where exactly did you come up with Shane's name being remotely involved in any of this? in writing your dissertations on this event you seem to have missed some glaring facts about who was even there.

OK I quit, but I hadn't heard that asked yet.

urn, dead horse, old hat, yr too late, shhh

Has anyone commented on the artistic slant that the "vandalism" could represent?

When looking at the photos, I took at least a couple of surface interpretations of the act, primarily involving the cross:

1) The representation of martyrdom in a DIY located too close to the square.

2) With the trophy atop the cross, the representation of a martyr that achieved something important, in the scope of all of the DIYs springing up at the time. Perhaps there's wasn't the most important, but having a storefront can sometimes be a little more lasting than your house, surrounded by other non-music loving houses.

I'm not saying that these were his intentions by any means, but our own Shane English, who has taken responsibility for this act, is a member of some of our most lauded art based acts in these parts. Why should he not be allowed to extend his expressions to an alley behind SHQ? I've acted irrationally when I thought I should inject art in places they wouldn't normally be injected. Why would he think that his expressions would cause SHQ to close down? It seems absurd that the place would get shut down for what he did.

Anyhow, aside from all that resulted from the interpretation and the backlash of the mess, I think the pictures of the "vandalism" are quite nice and were set up in a very precise way to just be a drunken incident left for people to find. Balancing trash cans? The cross? Come on now.....

Shane English...Did you have a message? Or was it just what it was?

I will agree that maybe this provides a forum for people to manifest the worst in themselves, as I have spouted things on here that I immediately regretted the next day, but often I was truthful in a way that I might not have allowed myself to be under normal circumstances. Though I agreed with what I said the night before, I might feel sorry about the way I presented it. But we are not always able to express ourselves through these typed words in the way we wish we could.

However, I think it speaks to the integrity of the people that run this blog that they trust the intelligence of the people posting and commenting here to have the ability to sift through the garbage and disseminate the facts. They'll post about what they're passionate about or not comment about garbage.

Like I said, if you haven't been here very much, you may see it as a lot of garbage talk, but really, it's a person or two spilling all the crap. Most people know to ignore it or take it for the truth. Come on Mike. Have some faith in people.

People that believe in what they're saying do let themselves be known. I have too many blogger accounts set up at various times to remember my own passwords and to have set up a little pretty picture of myself and my likes and dislikes for people to rummage through and figure out how they can understand where I'm coming from. But I post under the same unlinkable title, but it's still me, Aaron Bartz. Now you know as much about me as I do about you, Mike.

mike again
stonedranger-
i don't think it speaks to the integrity of this blog that people are still willing to hide behind e-anonymity and talk shit about people they don't know or things they obviously don't care much about 2 years on. just the opposite actually....you are providing an anonymous forum for people to manifest the worst in themselves....kinda like bad reality TV or pro wrestling.

fact is, when a person actually believes in what they're saying, they let their identity be known.

you can talk shit about that observer lady (and boooooy does she fucking deserve it!!) but she at least signs her own damn name and you know where to find her.

WSJR 3:16

Booyah!

I do give a fuck about having thoughtful discourse on here, and I believe the most effective way to promote that is by making relevant posts and giving people the freedom to express themselves anonymously in response. Are the results always ideal? Of course not. But it has been known to promote some great discussions in the past, and I think the fact that people have continued to post on here for the better part of two years speaks for itself.

Dear Mike Melendi,

Never seen your name on here, so I'll assume you've never been here, otherwise you would have heeded your own advise and put your name out for everyone's memory. Unfortunately for you, but fortunately for us, this is how We Shot JR works:

Stonedranger truly gives a fuck about free dispersement of thought and comment, no matter how outlandish, and therefore has stated that the blog will stay out of censoring comments. This is not Denton Rock City, so the "witchhunt" does not get deleted, or, necessarily, increase or decrease in its accusations.

If you took the time to look through all of this, you will see the same sentiment thrown out over and over again. Those who want blood, want blood and always will. Those who give two shits about the culprits say what they liked about SHQ and leave. Those who know the accused stick up for their buddies to their terminal frustration. It's pointless! (But fun, that's why your still here!)

All of the filler that gets everyone stirred up is a person or two pushing everyones buttons. That's what always keeps this blog going.

I don't understand why some people don't get this yet and are continuously upset about it. The true discourse comes out of people standing up and trying to debunk or reassure everyone, to the best of their ability, through the comments they produce. These accusations can include the relevance of a local act, the truth in a too-good-to-be-true contract, or the events leading to the demise of a beloved DIY. These are all fun concepts to think about and blog about, that's why any one comes here, but they're not gospel.

I know it sucks to see your friend or your favorite band or YOUR band "slandered" on here, but take your ideas of your friend, your favorite band or your band and think about them:

Do you need to read about them somewhere else to assess how you feel about them? Do you really care what others think about you and your friends in any of these categories? If you do, and you're coming here and getting riled up, for fuck sake, reassess your existence. You'll be hard pressed to find a link to all the typing you wasted a year from now. NOT IMPORTANT! BUT KEEP IT UP, WE SHOT JR!

And don't think for one minute that I'm not considering the irrelevance of this post.

There is discourse in the bitching session. You just have to wade through a bunch of crap to take what you need.

will someone please tell the observer to stop printing itself?

thank you.

http://scramble.proboards48.com/index.cgi?board=dRc&action=display&thread=1192591650

Boiler Room, Fuzzy Taco, Abbey Inn Restaurant, Chaos Control...

.

What is the WSJR record for most comments? I think this thread has to be #1?

anonymous allows discourse..

without it this would be a 2 comment thread..

true story..

Obsession : A Taste of Fear

sam moss is one of the coolest people i've ever known. she doesn't deserve any of the shit she's being anonymously given on this blog, and some of you seem to have forgotten any shred of dignity or shame your parents may or may not have instilled in you.

if stonedranger gave a fuck about having real discourse on this thing, he would disable anon comments. on DRC, you either know or can find out quickly who everyone is. it's a pretty nice place to be until people start repeating what they read on this site.

i'm heartbroken over SHQ, but i'm really most upset because i know sam well, and she doesn't deserve any of this shit. she's got balls, that woman does, and that's more than a lot of you fucks can say. if she was gonna talk shit on here, you'd better believe she's sign her own goddamn name. when y'all don't have something nice to say, you just say it anonymously. fucking lame.
-mike melendi

Twat? I cunt hear you. I have an ear infucktion. I need to go to the dicktor.

We should transcribe these long blog comments and make it into a rock opera --it can be a tragic comedy

The retardation is strong in these comments

OMG, I said I was sorry! I related my personal experience. Yes, I have been raped. More than once. Maybe that tempers my thinking, and made me sound like a prude, but i am not a misogynist.

I know you think you are being cute with the "some girls like to be raped," but i think in this context it makes you sound like a horrible person. I even like to have some kinky sex play with my partner, but it is consensual. I have never enjoyed being raped. Asshole.

watch this I am just about to be a hypocrite:
the whole shq art show in the ally should be kept between the artists and shq to avoid anymore personal attacks

also, to the person so concerned with women getting date raped for drinking and hanging out with men, What is so wrong with a little fun? some women like to get raped come on we live in the 2000s geezz

also, whoever posted the thing about adults acting like children --i guess since you post on a "scene" blog you must big a big adult type of human

Guys, let's say dirty words to challenge taboos.

C'mon, be imaginative.

Anyway, I'm really sorry about SHQ, and I hate to say it, but this shit ALWAYS happens, and I'm sure once the dust settles someone will step in, their head held high, strong in heart and spirit, and guide the now orphaned scene into the magnificent glory of underground art and music.

Then the place will be shut down because somebody on PCP painted a crescent moon and star with breast milk on the door.

...hack

amanda, i think i love you, but i cunt figure it out

More denton Deluxe's will be in stock later this week at Strawberry Fields. Come and pick one up everybody!

Imanuelle Cunt

Cunt

Hey everyone!
Fill in the blank.

Jonanna is a ........?

Jonanna..

"If you want me to give more/different coverage to Denton, cool, email me and let's go have a beer and you can show me what i'm missing."

1. writing ability...
2. checking sources..
3. writing ability..
4. knowledge of music history..

I don't think visiting Denton will help you 1 bit..

We don't accept you.. your writting.. your manipulation of what you, and your bosses would prefer our music scene to be..

we are not here for clear channel radio.. we are not here for x y z shitty local band..

we are here because we love music and art..

please stop shitting on us.. we don't care for it..

THANK YOU, AND FUCK OFF

well thanks but i cunt imagine anyone having that much free time and that little to do with said free time.

That is fucking awesome amandacobra, maybe someone will write a wikipedia entry about you.

YEAH! WHERE MY TEN DOLLARS IS?

I cunt believe how rude you guys are being.

Is this a bad time to ask for my SHQ donated money back? Poor form? I kid, I kid. Sorry to hear about all of this.

Helping run a DIY can be the most fun and the least fun time of your lives. Enjoy your free time Scott and Cody.

it's a free cuntry!

better than a condom machine you can buy the condoms right out of the same vending machine you get your doritoes. how's that for a punk rock club. take notes genius!

i would also like to add as a female AND a huge fan of the word "cunt" that i think my female friends and i say that particular word, on average, four to five times daily.

why ask someone to pass something to you when you can instead say "hey, can you pass me that stapler, cunt?"

I just cunt do it

How many of you have never done even one act of senseless drunken vandalism? Besides the str8-edge ones, and you've probably done it sober.

anon 3:50 here.

you are all cunts, now get back to work fuckers!

This is 2:06. I wasn't trying to fake concern. I said I don't even really know her. I was just making an observation. I am not the taliban, but I am a realist. In reality, that kind of behavior can get you into trouble. I have been date raped and experienced alot of hardships from not protecting myself by being drunk and stupid. I was hoping that if she had any real friends on here they might think about talking to her. That's all, but now i feel bad for saying anything. It really is none of my business. So, I am sorry for offending people. I hope Sam figures out what is best for her. I can't imagine being publically humiliated in this way. It totally sucks. I shouldn't have been a part of it.

hey if we're talking about the observer:

don't worry about someone in denton calling you a bad word and you subsequently not covering bands and shows in denton.

being that you are the DALLAS observer and you have yet to write anything worth the free paper your publication is printed on about anything happening in dallas, i would say that worrying about denton is a little premature.

2:47

Posting in caps-lock is sad and pathetic. I'll tell you other ways you should be living your life later. You're welcome.

Jonanna-

1. I thought posting in the comments sections of this blog was pointless, boring, and completely beneath you. Didn't one of your TWO articles on MATAS last month basically say so? And shouldn't you be busy writing one of the amazingly intelligent think pieces that you claim can only be found in the Dallas Observer's music section?

2. I understand the desire to defend yourself against name calling, and I would probably do the same if I were you. But to follow it up with what is basically a threat (don't talk shit about me or I won't come to Denton and give your scene any coverage) is laughable. Do you know how many musicians have privately told me how uneasy they are about getting coverage from the observer over the past year? Quite a few. I'm sure most people on here aren't all that concerned whether you cover their bands or not, and i'm sure most of the dentonites on this site neither hate you nor believe that you hate them. In my experience, most people are indifferent at this point.

Thanks for reading.

There doesn't seem to be too much real worrying on here. Instead, there seems to be a bunch of nosy people who like someone to look down upon to make them feel better about their own shortcomings. It's just easier to trash someone when the nastiness is covered up with fake concern, I guess.

STUPID INTERNET
ACTING LIKE A CHILD WHEN YOU ARE OVER 25 AND MARRIED IS SAD. HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GENDER.
ITS OK TO WORRY ABOUT YOUR FRIENDS WHEN THEY ARE MAKING BAD CHOICES.

1:07 and 2:06 sound like the taliban. get fucking real.
being over 25 and married means you cant go out at night anymore? i guess she needs to be accompanied by her husband? fuck off.
she's an adult and can figure shit out for herself. quit trying to scare women away from hanging out. people like you guys are what's wrong with denton, if you even live here.

This is the true story...of seven strangers...picked to blog in a house...work together, and have their lives watched...to find out what happens when people stop being polite...and start getting real...WE SHOT JR WORLD

3 things SHQ Denton could learn from 1919 FW:

1. Trash the place before you open, that way nobody knows what's art and what's vandalism.

2. Open shop in crack-ville, not a block from town-square.

3. If the community doesn't support you, you're screwed before you've even begun.

Denton doesn't think you are a cunt. Denton is just lonely.

This has brought out the worst in me. I'm sorry. To everyone.

Dear Anon who called me a cunt,

Hey, wow. I hesitate to fall down to your level and return the needless misogyny/totally weird hatred/immature name-calling, but I would just like to point out that that's the most cowardly fucking thing I've ever seen. You want to call me a cunt, you post your name.
Fine, I get it--Denton hates me. Denton thinks I hate Denton. I actually don't at all, and btw, if I'm so irrelevant, why should you care one way or the other what I think about Denton?
If you do care, I'll tell ya this: Being called a cunt, etc., doesn't exactly make me wanna come up there or make contact with people in Denton's music scene. If you want me to give more/different coverage to Denton, cool, email me and let's go have a beer and you can show me what i'm missing. Seriously...
If you don't care, then at least have the balls to not post as anon when calling me disgusting names. That's crossing a fucking line.

Jonanna

I'm sorry about what happened to SHQ.

Jonanna

I'm a judgmental prick too stupid to know when to shut the fuck up and I've made a lotta posts........

I think part of the reason people are freaking out on Sam is because she has been so full of "scene love" lately. She even called people out on the messageboard for not praising Ty and his WSJR review. Its hard when you act like that and then fuck up. People notice, you know?

I agree with 1:07. Someone should talk to her before something really bad happens to her (like a car wreck, violence, rape, you know--all the shit that can happen when you are running around really drunk and weigh all of 120 lbs). I dont think they were being puritanical. She obviously loses control. You hope for your friends that they will get their shit together because you don't want them to turn into losers. And, no offense, but those actions sound a bit like a loser. I highly doubt its the kind of woman she wants to be.

And none of this is any of my business! I'm not even really close to her or anything. Just an outside observation.

Main Entry: ac·com·plice

one who intentionally and voluntarily participates with another in a crime by encouraging or assisting in the commission of the crime or by failing to prevent it though under a duty to do so

Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of Law, © 1996 Merriam-Webster, Inc.

ok i'll fix it.

i wonder if shq would have let the rock lottery use their spot all weekend, losing income, if they had known that one of the events organizers was going to stand idly by while her loser friends trashed the place the next weekend? And then get caught lying about it.

NO, you need to learn to pay attention.

edit:
didn't mean to say "you it's cool" meant to say "you know it's cool"

Yes she did.

you it's cool, you're the same people that didn't like me before this and you don't like me now. big fucking deal. sorry.

One of the event organizers didn't trash the place. Learn to keep up.

Being in grad school is a lot different from just being unemployed, but I guess that just didn't fit the vibe of your statement.

you guys should lay the fuck off of sam & ty.

it's done, we'll move on.

You people should be more worried about all of the shitty music I'm going to be making with my free time.

i wonder if shq would have let the rock lottery use their spot all weekend, losing income, if they had known that one of the events organizers was going to trash the place the next weekend?

To 1:42--so being in grad school makes it all okay? Y'all have funny ideas about what makes a person "cool"...

"Sorry Ty, I see your point. I miss the positive things that were going on before all this happened and you were a part of that positiveness."

?

Ha!

Sorry Ty, I see your point. I miss the positive things that were going on before all this happened and you were a part of that positiveness.

1:14, she's also in grad school, something you forgot to mention I guess.

you guys still wanna fucking kiss shawn's ass and 'help' sam but greg and i are still fucking scum. yeah glad to know everyone is still a fucking asshole around here. even when you were fucking dead wrong about your shitty accusations. i'm not anybody's fucking keeper. i didn't let anything happen. shit just happens and i'm not a fucking disciplinary or any shit like that. not a fucking snitch either. get the fuck over it. i think scott is a cool fucking dude. some of you vindictive pricks need to get a life.

Wish I would have gone to secret headquarters more.

Totally agree with 1:07...irresponsible, immature, reckless behavior.

I sympathize w/ Cody and Scott. You work hard on something you really believe in--put your heart/soul/body/money into it--and then your "friends" wreck it overnight. This shouldn't have happened. It didn't have to happen. And if some people had gone home, got drunk and reckless on their own property, it wouldn't have happened. That, my friends, is the absolute, rock-bottom line here.

What's worse, it sounds like the perps are angry because people are taking them to task for their behavior. A lot of folks these days seem to believe that anything goes and that there shouldn't be any bad consequences for bad behavior. Why should Scott & Cody--and all of the true friends of SHQ--have to pay the price?

With friends like these, who needs enemies?

fuck you. i didn't do anything. ok. is that cool? and i fucking got called at work by shane english about this whole shit. i talked to scott when he messaged me the same time i went to go check this chickenshit board. i answered him. and no i'm not going to out my friends sorry that's not my fucking responsibility. and i'm not going to come on this shit and start saying anything with all this shit flinging that was going on. fuck you.

1:07 go back to your puritan society. It's ok if a guy was hanging with 3 girls.

STFU you are ignorant and i'm sure Sam would love to get rid of your judgemental ass for a friend.

but, this bar of soap would be in lil d

p.s. C'mon people.. lighten up a little.

Does bar of soap have a condom machine??? I think not!

Still brilliant!

Sam knew who did it and then lied about the whole situation on dentonrockcity. She lives across the street from Scott. She could have fixed this all before anyone else in the world knew about it. Instead, she lied. she didn't come forward. Ty didn't come forward. The first day in a year he didn't go to that message board. Then as as soon as shawn took the fall, he runs out of hiding, "Screw you guys!"

The SHQ guys may be licking their wounds and trying to repair this whole mess, but do not lose focus on the fact that all of the names that were proposed early on were true. And Shawn may be the only one fessing up, but that whole crew was selfish, chickenshit, defensive, and lying. They Don't deserve to be hung but they do suck a little more than they used to. And Scott and Cody and that whole group will forgive them and they are already taking the blame on themselves. Because they are stand up guys. Love them or hate them, they wanted the truth and four people knew it. And those four people let it turn from a drinking accident to vandalism and at the end of the day they did not give a fuck and still don't.

1:07
IRL, duh. IT IS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS WHO I AM. BUT WHEN SHE AND I TALK ABOUT IT I WILL TELL HER SHE PROBABLY NEEDS TO GROW UP. STAYING OUT TIL 6AM WITH 3 GUYS ISNT CUTE WHEN YOU ARE OVER 25, MARRIED, AND UNEMPLOYED. HER "REAL" FRIENDS SHOULD HELP HER AND START BEING HONEST WITH HER. SHE OBVIOUSLY HAS A PROBLEM.

Sam walked away from the whole thing as it was happening. I was witness.

puppies and cats

12:23
How could she ask you if you are anon? Just wondering about that.

scott. dude. you guys did great. don't beat yourself up... the only reason everyone got so bloodthirsty is because they care about you guys as people, because they know the sacrifices you have made. a few guys can't bear the weight of the whole world, nor should you have to. it is everyones responsibility to pitch in equally. obviously the landlord thing was reaching a boiling point, and it was simply time.

bar of soap already exists genius, you didn't invent it!

I really wish we could have done better. This is all just so fucked up.

Please don't judge anybody.
People were just having a good time.

msp

scott and cody, nicely stated. having a psycho landlord is a much better explanation than "SHQ Closed Due to Vandalism"

i am sorry for your loss.

I love you guys and deeply appreciate all you have invested in denton.

I have lost respect for Sam Moss. If she asks me, I will tell her.

Anyone wanna try to start a washateria punk club with me? How fucking sweet would that be? Laundry, some old Arcade games / a pool table or two, and shows that don't suck. Maybe a condom machine somewhere?

Jesus- I'm brilliant.

WHOA. That is SO fucking true!

the craziest thing here is that it wasn't sloan

I agree w/what scott said.
As for this one:

Anonymous said...
nicely put, irene, i especially hope that cody will consider more carefully in the future before impulsively making public announcements of an inflammatory nature... even on places like DRC.

4:25 AM

My public announcement was on a message board full of my friends, knowing full well at that point exactly who was involved/witnessed and hoping they would get the message that what happened wasn't cool.

I do respect shawn for coming forward in the shit-storm, and I've lost respect for others who still claim no knowledge of the parts he didn't claim and still happened. Some have even said they weren't there when Shawn mentioned they were.
Whatever. It's not some nancy drew mystery or whatever. Somebody just broke some of my shit & made a mess I have to clean up. Just like every damn weekend, just a bigger mess & more broken shit.

My anger isn't even about having to shut down. It's about having to spend my sunday the way it was spent, having to do what I did, and after all of that hearing nothing but a bunch of "not me".

At the end of the day I owned a problem that nobody else wouldn, and after all is said & done I'm the one that suffers beyond the "Man, that sucks".

I don't need someone to blame to know that isn't right. And I don't need someone hating themselves for me to get over it.

I just plan to get on with my fucking life.

i love 10:59 too!

man, this is why i dont post over here. im 10:59 and i was just trying to be nice. geez.

I was just being retarded, MSP's mom. I love you.

I'll admit it. 10:59 is my mom. And OF COURSE she's drunk again.

msp

actually i was being serious! and i will go enjoy my life--thank you! as someone who was a part of a fake club at one time, i know how it feels to get out of it--its amazing how much time you gain! how free you feel!

i was honestly being positive. its weird how the internet makes people so suspicious. so be it!!

hey 10:59

Why don't you go enjoy your life? Not so nice directed at you is it? Nah nah nah

hey scott, go enjoy your life. use the time you are about to gain to write a song, dance a jig, fuck, smoke some pot, cook a good meal, play with your dog--GO ENJOY LIFE!

Oh, and, for old time's sake... Bring on the hate.

msp

Hi. Scott P. here.

Yes, we have been struggling. Yeah, we could have closed at any moment during the last couple of months. But fuck that. We always found ways to get by. A lot of you helped and we tried to make it worth your effort. and make no mistake, the new plan was going to be awesome. We had started paying rent on time. We had met with the lanlord at length, restructuring and getting legal on paper with the city... And then... THE GREAT PAINT SPLASH OF 2007!!!! In hindsight, the cross was a great touch. Nice anf folk-art looking. Sadly, our right wing landlord saw it as an attack on 'Merica and the Jesus.

After enjoying the company of many friends last night, a lot of the folks who offered the same ideas as you guys, stuff we hadn't considered in the passion and intensity of the last couple of days, we realize that our closing in that location really has nothing to do with a couple of drunken goofs. You're right about that. For christ's sake, we encouraged that type of shit and on a good night, probably would have helped nail the cross together. Better the drunks loiter in our dark alley than take to the streets.

As far as the sudden closing, and all the talk about the landlord...
It had gotten to the point where people were afraid of him. When he saw the "religious" nature of the admittedly weak vandalism... He FLIPPED. He threatened Cody. He kept calling us at our jobs, harrassing us about the religious nature of the shit. He kept snooping around, unlawly entering the building, the ONLY reason this shit went public was because HE found the paint spill and called the cops! So Cody gets dragged up there, threatened over two seperate occasions, gets accused of being on drugs, accused of being in a "cult"... We literally called his wife and threatened legal action if he didn't relax.
It was all so sudden and intense when the man called. Versus what probably woulda happened if we had found it first... Take a drag from a smoke. "Huh. How about that." Kick the wood back into the pile.

So... speculate all you want.
This has all ended in such goofy fucking circumstances... Yeah, we could have done better. Yeah, maybe people shouldn't have climbed the roof, maybe our new landlord dude could have been less insane, there are plenty of maybes... This is all so blown out of proportion. We weren't trying to cure cancer. We rented an office, opened a door, and threw beer parties. And then we got busted. It was a fun run. You guys are awesome. Now it's all just embarrassing. Whooptyfuckingdoo. We had a shitty PA and a little time. None of it was worth the last couple of days. People are mad at us and shit. That sucks. We were just trying to throw a party.
We took the "vandalism" personally, because we were personally attacked by the ex-nam landlord in strange fashions. You bet we were pissed. But we were never gonna press charges. Woke up on a Sunday, and that fucker was bring 'Nam home to us. You bet we freaked out. Jesus, we've been flying under the radar for a year and a half, stresses out but smiling. Admittedly, we are a little frazzled. I hope you can forgive us if this closing doesn't suit your needs. And that is only half-sarcastic.

All in all, fuck it. I'm out of the fake club business. It was a blast for a while. But like someone pointed out, this shit happens all the time. A tiny little fart in the cosmos. Blah. Blah. Blah.

msp

It looks like more than one person made that mess, Shawn is too sweet, of course he would take the fall.

So 3 people stood around while one guy ruined SHQ for everyone?

I kinda feel they're as much to blame as anyone.

Alcohol doesn't excuse anything.

I wish it had been the guy from The Yearbook.

I have huge balls. When anonymous.

9:06 AM

those who can.. do..

those who can't teach..

those who really can't.. are professional students under the auspice of being a professor..

i would explain more.. but i have stuff to do..

this was a House Of Tinnitus HIT! they had to put SHQ out of commission. 8th continent...watch out. House Of Tinnitus is a STRONG camel. with fangs and shit.

Perspective: SHQ is closing for the same reason SHQ was gonna close anyways: lack of control over stupid-ass shit.

Every time Im telling secrets
I remember how it used to be
And I realized how much I miss you
And I realize how it feels to be free

Now I see Im up to no good (no, no, no)
And I wanna start again
Cant remember when I felt good (baby)
No I cant remember when

No, only in my dreams
As real as it may seem
It was only in my dreams

Couldnt see how much I missed you (now I do)
Couldnt see how much it meant
Now I see my world come tumbling down
(tumbling down my world)
Now I see the road is bent

If I only once could hold you (no, no, no)
And remember how it used to be
If only I could scold you
And forget how it feels to be free

No, no, no, no, only in my dreams
As real as it may seem
It was only in my dreams

No, no, no, no, only in my dreams
As real as it may seem
It was only in my dreams

No, no, no, only in my dreams
As real as it may seem
It was only in my dreams

the witness(sam)should have called her friends(cody and scott)instead of letting them be publically upset and confused. alco-fucking-holics. i wonder if she went home and hit will over it.

that is if it's the same irene that i think it is.

actually she's a professor of ethics and also taught logic.

dumbass. you're an idiot and belong on a stupid fucking couch watching cnn and getting great meaning out of britney spears getting shittier and shittier and more fucking stupid.

Irene: do you spend an outrageous amount of time at self cauldiling groups such as drink and think? because I do not think those words mean what you think they mean..

You have just spit more fluff, and bs then should be allowed..

I think I will go watch tv now; Frankly Britney Spears on cnn has more thought, and relevance then your post.

will said...

homeboy confessed on DRC. Thoughts?

9:03 PM

confessed where?
link please!

i seriously doubt the SHQ people would be as forgiving if the perpetrator was a complete stranger, or even a casual acquaintance. birds of a feather flock together.

you pour a shit ton of money into some diy place and have this shit happen to you... let's see how you react.

let it be. it's over.

nicely put, irene, i especially hope that cody will consider more carefully in the future before impulsively making public announcements of an inflammatory nature... even on places like DRC.

Dear People of Denton,
I think it would be good for all of ya'll to reflect on the last 24 hours and take lesson from it. Take lessons of human nature and of your own natures. Rationality and logic holds no sway here, nor does kindness or humility. I think back to the witchhunts that burned countless women, the wolves that nailed Jesus, and the consul that pressed Socrates to drink the hemlock. It is mass hysteria and those all too eager to look to others for their own misfortune. It is hyperbole and a lack of prudence. Anyhow, I just want us to learn from history so we can move forward for once.

Much love (and I mean it),
Irene

michael stipe in traffic

yeah, how come no one contested this? where's the DIY fightin spirit stuff SHQ was famous for? come on, the post mortem obit stuff seemed almost too readily offered. apology's too pat and everyone's 'cool' now. hello streisand1, take the rap, & now here's your key to denton. pleez. something + rotten + denmark. and these are all people i've considered friends. the 'vandalism,' though shitty to clean up, seems not enough to elicit immediate closing, slumlord denton asshole landlords and all. guess i just don't believe the hype.

Sorry dudes, but that's some pretty weak ass "vandalism". It's a spilled bucket of paint for chrissakes. I guess the wooden cross was what really set it off tho... bet the landlord had a good freakout about the occultists who had infiltrated his property.

Hell, send that cunt Jonanna Widener a story about how satanists ruined SHQ, it'll be our little joke.

if somebody was drunk at my house, knocked a bucket of paint off of the roof, made a half assed wooden cross, seemed really sorry, admitted it, cleaned up the mess, and replaced anything that had been damaged, i would consider them a better friend and respect them even more than before it happened.

yes.

i'll still hang out with him.

would u want an individual that trashes yer place hanging out with you? i think not.

Am I the only one who shares the sentiment, "Why bother caring?"

who is streisand1?

mkay

Prepare to have sex made on your butt.

can't we all just get along?

Maybe it was The Yearbook.

I am really glad he confessed and is taking responsibility. shq should concede that the shutdown is not entirely the fault of this one occurance, and should not use him as a scapegoat. people do stupid shit when they are drunk.(i don't even know him).

our community needs to stick together, work harder, confess to our shortcomings, and sacrifice more. not point fingers, accuse, whine, pout, and deny responsibility. its the only way we will be able to grow stronger so that little shit doesnt send us into a tizzy.

homeboy confessed on DRC. Thoughts?

fuck. that's lame. I was just telling a friend here how much I miss SHQ.

ughhhh

7:33, obviously. what happened sucks, but it isnt the root of the problem. all i am is saying is that if the camel WERE stronger, if the community were more involved and more generous, this straw wouldnt have mattered a bit. a few hours for a group of people to clean up, maybe a day, an apology to the landlord and a promise to look into and deal with the situation? and then easy sailing. people do stupid shit when they are drunk. they always have, they always will. they puke, piss, break things, make messes, yell at people, get into fights, it is a part of running a venue, just like weather, asshole cops, freeloaders, etc. but to blame the failure of a community spcae on the actions of one individual is naive.

7:32 - fuck me? why? did i hit a nerve? when was the last time you donated anything to the place? or helped out? maybe you have, let me know, tell me i am wrong. I love that place too. if i lived in denton i would have gone regularly. fuck you.

Dude. It's all about respect. It's about being selfish. Was SHQ doing well? Sometimes. Does that excuse friends putting that straw on the camels back when the camel was so close to being strong? No.

fuck you, 6:36. they had a few more months, a few more shows for us to enjoy. seriously, fuck you. i love that place.

roofing latex mite actually be found where?

7:22 did it

6:36 did not do it, does not live in denton, and is sorry that it happened. but 6:36 is annoyed by whiners, blamers, drama queens, cops, drunks, anonymous posters and the general apathy of your entire generation. believe me, if shq werent having trouble paying their bills, and were getting some reward for their hard work besides the "adulation" of their peers, not that they are asking for it...

shq would not be closing down because someone made a mess in the alley one time.

think about it.

but it is easier to take something like this and blame a few individuals for somehow magically fucking up everything than to take a long hard look at yourselves and your level of community engagement.

now, if you are reading this, and in the past week spent an hour doing something to help out at some kind of grassroots organization in your community, i apologize and concede that it is not you that i am speaking to. however, if you havent done anything in the past week, you are entitled to NOTHING but a big fuck you from corporate america, and you DESERVE to live your life in economic slavery, getting ass raped by budweiser, the house of blues and ticketmaster.

p.s. 6:36 PM did it

"I would have turned the cross upside down and left some outrageous porn magazines all over."

Orenthal James (OJ) Simpson

who the hell are you?

what the hell are you talking about?

btw. 6:36 was NOT a tirade against SHQ people. i love those guys. its a tirade against the assholes who only care about what they had after it goes away.

oh come on. I know you guys have been seriously discussing closing down shq for at least a month. admittedly this sucks and its a bad way to go out, but puhlease. this is just the straw that broke the camels back, dont be a "victim" of random drunken ridiculousness, and heap all of the blame of the difficulty of keeping a diy space going in denton onto the backs of whatever morons did this. you all shot jr, by not going to the shows enough, not contributing enough, not making it work. if the community were sincerely behind SHQ, they would have enough money and motivation to keep going, or find a new spot. the truth is these places come and go. its sad, but if you care, go open another one. or have shows at your house. or rent venues to have shows.

wah. someone drunkenly built a cross and made a mess. dont make it into a bigger deal than it is. shit like this happens all the time. yes, someone should clean that shit up. infact, if it was such a vital part of the community all of you fucking whiners should go up there and clean it up. together.

not your responsibility? then shut the fuck up. you dont deserve to have a DIY venue to call home.

from 5ish years ago.

whoa. i knew nothing about a rape.

denton needs to stop protecting their own and start fessin' up.

The culture jammers/ corporate 40s/ santa rampagers have never been known to stand up for their own. They turned their heads when one of their own was raped. Why would they come out and cliam responsibility for this.

their identity is a joke. an excuse for being an alcoholic loser without any real convictions.

One of the last cool things in Denton and it gets shit all over.

Way to go assholes!

Culture jamming is rad!

I heard it was the guys in Nouns Group...and if this post gets erased we all know why.

can we make sex on their butts yet?

just a final word, an obituary on the blog I do for denton music:

http://nofold.beloblog.com/

What a tragedy. SHQ gave much to our fair town.

and i think that is a bunch of bullshit

fuck it if its someone you think is your friend

cause they are not

or...

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4:59 PM

on this thread.

and then we'll use your tears of regret to lubricate our BUTT-SEX OF REVENGE!

come clean

I'LL CLEAN IT UP WITH MY TEARS OF REGRET GUYS

IT'S NOT LIKE I WAS TRYIONG TO GET THE PLACE SHUT DOWN I WAS FUCKING AROUND

sayin defensive shit on the internets be all fun when you can do it anonymously!

i think it was the guys from Monkeyshyne!!!

you're not supposed to feed them beer after midnight!

or is it "its". or "their"?

great, now the inaccurate story about the wrong thing happening at the wrong place will be based on my typing errors.

4:29:

best thing I've heard all day.

But I expect to see a story this week on how Hailey's is closing it's doors because someone planted a croquet mallet by thier back bar.

Man, those guys are so up on the scene.

open letter to joanna widner:

don't write an article about shq. the end.
-anonymous.

Ok, I'll be deleting any unfounded accusations on here starting now. Lets wait and see what happens before we go tossing names around.

someone trying to relive their cocaine addled youth? grow up.

i'll confess if it means getting fucked in the ass

CONFESS, AND PREPARE TO HAVE YOUR BUTT SEXED-UP

It was Amanda Von Cobra and the lead singer from the Liars cover band "the Pliars" (they're dating now) and they were coming fromjavascript:void(0)
Publish Your Comment the free clinic to work their day job as construction workers and got drunk and had it filmed for cheaters.

Saying shitty things on the internets be all fun when you can do it anonymously!

3:57?

2:46 and 3:50

S.A.

Yes, please refrain from naming names, unless you're naming your own and claiming responsibility.
I'm certain that part of the family is responsible, but I'm not positive on which part, and I don't intend to hurt any of my friends in the process of finding out.

The best thing the guilty person(s) can do right now is go clean up that fucking mess before I have to.

hey 3:50--were you there? Cause your friend sucks.

Yeah, I do know what she has been up to. I know alot. Thank you for asking. Don't take it out on me that your friend stays out all night doing stupid shit.

An apology is in order. All involved need to come forward and apoligize and maybe everyone won't hate them forever for doing this. The guys at SHQ are getting fucked over for something they didn't do. It's not fair and the responsible parties need to show themselves and apoligize.

Hey 3:26!-Were you there as well? How are you privy to such info.? What's up gossip mill? I love Sam and she is on anything but a downward spiral. Do you even know what she's been up to for that matter? Hmm...
Sorry some people were super lame to SHQ, that is a tragedy and I hope they fess up soon because this lynch mob is getting lame.

so, sam is kicked out of the scene?

Oh cool. This is great. i have nothing but hate for you selfish fucks who did this. clean up your mess and move away.

non-anon hate.

Samantha is involved. It suits her downward spiral. She can redeem herself by turning in the guilty culprits. My two cents.

man my bad day just got worse.

shq is dead. long live shq.

And that sucks, because SHQ was the least drama thing we had going on.

It's funny because this site is called we shot jr and the last 4 or 5 hours have been like the who shot jr episode of dallas. I've never seen so much high drama circling around Denton.

It was Jonanna Widner and Ghosthustler

This shit is totally fucked. The SHQ guys didn't deserve this. Especially in the totally fucked up way it went down. Wow.

let's all make sex to the holy man's butt, then to butts of Ty, Sam, Gregor, and Sean.

i'll make sex to their butts

someone should have sex with their butts.

"as far as I remember" "I was really drunk though".

Who has roofing latex on their shoes?

Who had access to roofing latex? Who would have such a thing and why? Where did it come from?

2:41 makes sam sound like a gremlin

I'd like to add that I know Sam very well and am not believing this until I have ALL the facts. I know everyone is out for blood, but take a rational step back and get the facts and talk to people in person before making conclusions based on what you read on message boards, which should go without saying, but...

check DRC

Sam was with them. I have now heard from 4 witnesses that they were at SHQ at around 3:00 in the morning. Acting like drunken fools. If you know these people at all, none of this is a surprise.

sam wouldn't do this.

ty and gregor would.

Well, you must not have ever seen Sam past midnight.

I would seriously get ALL the facts before jumping to conclusions. I know everyone wants someone to lash out at and soon, but I have a really hard time believing Sam could be involved in that or the others for that matter.

take justice into our own hands.

its official.

Jesus, don't name names until it's official.

SAM MOSS AND SHAWN? THAT IS A BIG FUCKING SURPRISE.

Ty and Gregor?!

OH BIG FUCKING SURPRISE.

denton stars strike again.

They'll never admit it.

If 2:03 is right, that is beyond fucked up.

IZ THAT PIZZA AND BEER

LOLOLOLL

SUX ABOUT THA PLACE BUT U KNOW
WUTEVR
FIGURE SUMTHIN ELSE OUT

fuck.

I have now heard through the grape vine that Ty Stamp, Samantha Moss, Gregor Bailey, and Sean from Silk Stocking are involved. I hope this is not true, but I do not doubt it for one second.

WHAT SHITHEADS. I can't believe someone would do that to a DIY. No one who's done so much for their music scene deserves this.

and atticus remains unscathed

If a donation bucket/jar/pocket is set up, I want to donate money to the boys of SHQ. Sarah Reddington has played there a few times, and it was always a wonderful place to play, and it was a wonderful place to hang out. I definitely didn't want to see something like this happen to a place like SHQ. (or really anywhere for that matter.)

Keep this updated. I want to help!

That's a lot of trashing for one person to do. It's almost like it took a creature with 8 arms. an octopus. Maybe a... squid?

--1:00pm

oh fuckin no way....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterboarding

This is absolutely awful. I hope they catch those fuckers.

The butler did it...

Who the fuck was it? People have a right to know who to watch out for. That witness can suck it. Coward.

I think whoever did this hates Denton too - ya'll should hang out.

I hate Denton.

now.

That's a lot of trashing for one person to do. It's almost like it took a creature with 8 arms. an octopus. Maybe a... squid?

Was it Matthew and the Arrogant Sea?

Man, they're my favorite band.
(Although I've yet to hear their music.)

goddammit.

that witness is kicked out of the scene!

Even if it is someone you know... may I suggest pressing charges?
Fuck it dudes.

Proof. There is a witness who ain't talking. Something about letting the guilty parties out themselves. The witness and the vandals are running out of time.

please start naming names. please start naming names. there is absolutely NO point in protecting these people.

i bet whoever did it feels like ten lbs of ass in 5 pound bag

This happened after 3am at least. I locked up at 2:30 and all was well (and nobody was in sight), and that white stuff is roofing latex.. have no idea where it came from.
We have a good idea of who was there when it went down, a few people that were around just before it did have helped a great deal in figuring it out.
The big deal w/the landlord has a lot to do w/the cross. There's a church in the other end of our building, and I'm sure they don't share the same sense of "humor" that our vandals did.
Plus, it's obvious it's someone who knows us, and to an unreasonable landlord that's just as good as us doing it ourselves.
When you're not a legitimate bar but people bring their own drink in, & when you're not formally a venue and bands play, you walk a very thin line.
Sometimes it takes one person being an ass to bring it down for everyone else.

Thanks for all of the support, everyone. Wish we could have gone out on a better (or at least a more spectacularly rediculous) note.

The landlord was unhappy with the "element" that hangs out there on his property and it turns out he was right. Friends of SHQ did this. Their timing is mind-blowing.
You'll know soon enough. People are already whispering the names, and it going to freak you out.

The new landlord is a crazy person. I've heard plenty about the guy to know that.

They leave their trashcans out back. The cross seems to have been made from construction materials from the lot behind SHQ. The 5 gallon bucket of paint is not from SHQ from what I hear. The trophy was on the soundbooth, easily stealable on the way out the door.

The only SHQ materials that were used is the trophy from what I understand. You can see it there on the cross. You'll know who did it. The SHQ guys already have good information.