First of all, I have a question for the readers: Is anyone out there old enough to be familiar with the mid 80's club scene in Dallas and Austin? If not, does anyone know someone who is? Specifically, I'm trying to get in touch with people that have some information on the Austin clubs Halls, Stephanie's and 606, as well as the Dallas club Starck. I'm pretty positive that none of these clubs have existed for a long time, but I would really like to talk to someone that might know the people that ran them, or just has some information that they could share about their experiences at those places. If anyone knows anything, I would appreciate it if you could email me at Weshotjr@yahoo.com and let me know. Thanks.

For tonight:

ADD: Easily the best show to see tonight will be Chief Death Rage playing for free at J&Js. There is another band on the bill and I'm not sure who they are, but you can catch CDR if you get there by 9pm. They're really good live, even when you have to pay. Looking forward to the release of their record later this year.

Wanz is doing his Lost Generation show over at the Cavern (upstairs), where he says he'll be focusing on some more obscure tracks (both old and new) in his set tonight. He didn't give us much detail other than that, so go see for yourself. Hopefully he'll bust out some of the Laptop Deathmatch stuff that so many people are talking about these days. There are some really great musicians involved in that project, so you might want to start paying attention.

Also, Mad Scientists are playing over at Dada with Boston's Constants and Ft. Worth's Okay James. You've already read DL's writings on Mad Scientists' slightly pysche influenced noisy prog metal, and I kind of dig it too. Unfortunately, I can't say many good things about the other bands on the bill. Yes, Constants sort of have a prog influenced spacemetal vibe to them, and I guess they can create some interesting textures, but I've just found myself pretty bored with the several tracks I've heard. The same basic thing can be said about Okay James: it sounds like they are trying to do some interseting things, but I'm just, um, not that interested. They certainly seem to have some talent, and might be interesting in a live setting. I'm just not feeling the recorded material I've heard. I think post rock fans (especially Mogwai people) might dig it however, so give them a listen if thats your thing.

Or you could just save your money in anticipation of the number of good shows coming up in Denton and Dallas the rest of this week.

bill hicks is dead, geoff, move on.

Best description of a band ever.

Anon, that got ran to the patio...

Was it too chicks barely able to play their instruments and a hesher shredding with a vacant look in his eyes?

That's Mad Scientists, and they are the weirdest (in a bad way) band in the world. They seem to live on a boat in an ocean of denial. Just, like, wow.

"I think the coming addition to the larson family is also a factor for why the 8th has been out of commission. but I heard the same from lars about the weather"

...that deffinately makes sense too, so i wouldn't be suprised if it's gonna be a little while before they are doing shows there again. i wouldn't presume you want to rock out in the basement w/ a newborn baby upstairs, but i may be assuming too much.

"Anonymous said...
Tober Omi were ok. Constant rocked and Okay James was the most god-awful, horrid thing that has happened to my ears in eons.
6:57 AM"

"Anonymous said...Weird, 'cause Okay James didn't even play the show.

5:11 PM"

Then it was the Mad Scientists. Whoever went on last drove us all on to the patio.

I think the coming addition to the larson family is also a factor for why the 8th has been out of commission. but I heard the same from lars about the weather

4:39 PM-

i THINK they will be resuming shows @ the 8th continent as the weather cools.... i may be wrong, but that seemed like the main reason they didn't book any more shows after the last one i went to... it was just so FUCKING HOT in there.

so maybe sometime in october they'll have something going on there.... but it may be more than just the heat, i don't know.... just speculating (and trying to remember what larz said on this very site after the show)

ohhhhh... so i HAVE been to that club. some chick i know had her 16th birthday party there or some shit..... i knew it was dennis rodman's "new club" or some shit... but i think it was gone shortly thereafter.

historicly, i know nothing of it... but when i was there (late 90s i guess) it was along the same lines as all those "sh" using clubs (wish, plush, whatever).

...probably a little cooler as far as the environment goes, but it deffinately looked like a douchebag, $20 to get in, type of joint to me.

i'm sure that early on that was not necessarily the case though.

"Anonymous said...
Tober Omi were ok. Constant rocked and Okay James was the most god-awful, horrid thing that has happened to my ears in eons.
6:57 AM"

Weird, 'cause Okay James didn't even play the show.

and welcome to dfwd!

link?

I meant post.

metrognome is on lamar, it is really hard to find though, go to their website for details

www.metrognomecollective.org

the place rules by the way.

and if you pay close attention to their calendar, you can see a pretty cool show out at 1919 hemphill every so-often, really cool diy venue, nice folks, so that's two things in fw.

I think you hit most of the denton bases in that link, some cool things happen at dan's silverleaf on a semi -regular basis, and the random good house show. you missed art prostitute though, but since you are in dallas, you can check them out at home!

just moved here from LA. Dallas is a cool city. i like it fine so far. "bands" seem a little limited, but there is no shortage of things happening. I especially like the laptop death match thing. finally made it up to denton. that is one of the coolest towns ever. i had a blast. the more i read about denton happenings and go there i cant believe the amount of talent, creativity and things going on there for such a small town. cool people. nothing fake like in LA. I have been to rubber gloves. J&J's and i am looking forward to going to the 8th continent. do they still do shows there? and i want to go to secret headquarters and then the house of tinnitus. what else could i do there? also i heard a lot about metronome in fort worth. what part of town is that in. anyone been?

i used to go to the starck on friday nights--"goth night." it was actually a pretty cool club--i loved those bouncy chair things. you know, i actually loved that time in my life.

idea:

lets take a list of, oh,
10 bands from dallas
10 from denton

everyone rate the bands
from 1 to 10
(10 being good)

then,
take the results to
reveal the slice of pie opinion of people who read and post on this blog.

i prognosticate that
it would skew in dentons favor.

it would take forever to determine which bands to rate, i am afraid
and the process might never begin.

~t.i.r.

i saw De La Soul at Starck in the mid 90's, when Rodman owned it. that's all i got.

-chris from gvsb

Well being old enough to know about Stark.. I was always getting in, at the age of 19 when Grace Jones, and Stevie Nicks owned the Club, it then traded hands to a couple of drug dealer. The club was raided several times. I was at the club when they filmed Robo Cop.. Yikes But eventually Don Nedler who owns the Lizard Lounge bought it out along with Madonna and Basketball Player Dennis Rodman.

So your best bet is Don Nedler or Helen his X wife?

Anways hope that helped...

Later

Cameron MacPhie

trust me, I'm the last person that wants to start that argument again. And I know that there are a lot of crappy bands everywhere, Denton included. I'm just saying that right now, there are more bands out of Denton that I like than Dallas.

J-EMO,
You are probably at the top of the list of people 10:57 was talking about.

Oh shut up about the Denton versus Dallas thing already, if anything is redundant it is that topic. There is an equal amount of shitty bands for each town. An equal amount of "good", depending on your taste. And an equal amount of each for the whole damn world. I'm a mathematician and this is fact.

pretty much true 108. Most of the bands in Dallas are so bad that it would just be boring to make fun of them all day. There are very few good ones around. Its a shame.

btw, did I mention how fucking redundant this is?

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I notice the Denton bands come under a huge amount of scrutiny on this blog, but not nearly as much for the Dallas bands. Then I realized that Dallas really doesnt have any bands worth trashing or talking about.

Noise rock definitely does not require talent or practice.

"Dude, you have to feel it man. I'm so abstract. I need to go name my house. Shut up man, you'll never understand."

"Can you take your stupid vendetta against Mike S somewhere else? "

in case you couldn't tell, I was being sarcastic...

Hey Stonedranger, since you asked about Starck (this is the right post right?) you should talk to DJ Mark Ridlen or perhaps Evan (Captain Groovy), two very cool dudes about town who will knock your socks off about Dallas club history and the wonderful world of music. Age equals wisdom if you're lucky.

Can you take your stupid vendetta against Mike S somewhere else?

DALLAS SUCKS.

DALLAS SUCKS.

Dood, Noise Music does not require practice and such things. Once a month, we all gather at the House of Suck, and Michael Semen drops his pants. We all take turns servicing him, letting his Scene Goo rush down our throats. We call it the Empty Praise Ritual, and it is the source of all our strength. We then go to the House of Blow, and, yes, blow smoke up each others ass. We call it the Understanding Ritual. So between sucking and blowing, you can see that we spend plenty of time off of the internet.

Thanks,
fhj
I play the 1978 PS1000 in a new Noize Band called
Cl()#er to the ?*?*

It's about the moment.

whenever any "noise" or "experimental" band gets a tiny bit offended on here they come out of the wood work and cry like babies. Maybe the problem is that you are ON THE INTERNET TOO MUCH. Step away from your computer, WRITE SOME SONGS, and quit waiting for some one to say something about you. Maybe then you will get better and shut everyone up. I understand you need to promote your house/basement/whatever shows but, you also need to develope something wonderful to promote.

anon 11:38, thanks for recognizing, but I'm sorry you had to witness a confused & confusing iDi debacle, probably the first time we'd ever even played together as drums/sax/electronics/no guitar. Not to mention brand-new "machines"...

Saturday at Secret Headquarters (8pm, w/ URTU) will be the return of the real (& expanded) iDi.

wow
just reread what i wrote,
i was honestly asking a question
not making a negative remark
geez
the name is soothing and melodic
that is why it was rolling around in my head

*back to work*

~t.i.r.

did I just read a threat from a third party regarding a fight between a dead Bill Hicks and an anon over a post.

If the comment section was removed, this site would actually be useful.

Tober Omi were ok. Constant rocked and Okay James was the most god-awful, horrid thing that has happened to my ears in eons.

Tober Omi was awesome last night. It's stupid that they weren't even mentioned on here.

I believe the drummer for Idi Amin is the same drummer from Tame.. Tame and Quiet.

anonymous 11:38 - I live in the O.C. too. If you ever want to reveal yourself & carpool to Denton, I'm game!

thanks for driving so far man, that's completely rad of you.

sounds like fun. Denton usually is.

ok so i went to the show in denton tonight. idi amin was very good. they have a sax player and a drummer and a guy behind a bunch of machines, they were awsome. next was andrew michael and i have to admit he was very good. he passed out flowers at the end of his song? and there was a group of girls up front who really seemed to love him. he was very cool.

then was chief death rage and they fucking rocked.

then abiku from baltimore was radical.

the drive up from oak cliff was worth it. i am not sure why so many people have something against denton. they know how to rock!

in some ways you keep things boiled and interesting around the place for some people. and this goes along again with all the times you talk about and mention all these 'shitty' bands it still works to their advantage....sorry :(

what's fun to me is that the more you talk shit and blabber on and on with border-line funny trash talking comments about denton and noise and so on blah blah blah. the more everything you talk shit about benefits. so continue on and on about how bad and shitty and EVERYTHING we do and mention the house of.... over and over so we all know what venue you're talking about and the bands you hate over and over cause to me this is all GREAT advertising...the more you talk shit and say the names of these bands the less you're talking about the shitty bands you actually like.
way to go!
a thumbs up photo inserted here and something to make you feel dumb maybe...actually it'd do me some good to go ahead and start talking some shit about my own band. and all the venues i like just so they get mentioned. awesome! you guys are really really what keep this denton 'thing' noise 'scene' this whatever you hate going. you rule!

"bush voting war loving dick sucking homo-phobe fags"

thank god!
my band has a name now.

"mmmmkay?

K."

.... bill hicks? if so he'd go off on you for imitating him after making such a dull statement beforehand

i mean, anyone seen any bands play in houses/basements in dallas?

the sanctuary is closed.

ha, i've been to denton 3 outta the last 4 weekends and each time DEFFINATELY beat anything i coulda done in dallas for the whole month.

...i'm FROM dallas and i can admit that much.

denton has better nightlife for people of my kind. I like dallas a lot, but i wouldn't drive 45 minutes at 2:30 in the morning just to do something that is just as good as what's going on where i live.

Yeah. Once I went back over it, I realized I did say some lame ass things.

tober omi is a tasty treat.

they would classify as hard rock,
some of the lyrics are too amusing to be taken as serious metal.

i like it!

lately,
i keep thinking
"who the f' is chuck pandolf?"
really, all day.

puzzling.

~t.i.r.

"dick sucking homophobe"

my new favorite!

where are all the Denton cowboys at?

Visiting mom and pop back in the burbs or trying to make their boots look extra worn in?

Fake Cowboy Music!

If I'm not mistaken, Tober Omi, whom I've seen at the Double Wide, is also on this bill. You can check them out here.

http://www.myspace.com/toberomi

Influenced by Shellac and Mr. Bungle. They are an excellent live band.

it sucks balls how all you have to do is play some music and have some shows and all of a suuden all of these dumbfucks like me who can hide behind an anon shield can talk shit. it is especially ass licking if all of the stupid bitches who talk shit on here know the people they are talking poop about...

it is a sign of the fucking times no one likes anyone- i am sure all of the bitches who post shit about people are bush voting war loving dick sucking homo-phobe fags who cant even play with their dicks correctly so they have to take out their frustrations on people who make some fucking music.

btw i snorted some coke with bowie off of jerry halls love button at the stark

"the New Weird Wanz"

See, THATS what I'm talking about. Its funny. I bet even Jamo and Wanz can agree on that one.

everyone just shut the fuck up and enjoy themselves tonight. there's plenty going on for a TUESDAY FUCKING NIGHT.

or be miserable, you know. you're all good at project that on other people.

j-emo = the New Weird Wanz

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you should be in fra pandolf if you're not already. 1 more whiny bitch might make them cool.

but you do sit around telling each other that you understand.

and I'm not in fra pandolf!

I can tell you that the great Wallace Campbell can school you in 80's Dallas action. But i think he was just doing punk shows.

oh yeah man, I totally write that shit down.

6. lamo!

4:04 just made me hate your band again.

Sorry.

You wanna just hug it out?

I might like your Fra band more afterwards.

god, lamo, you're keeping score? Do you just write down every name that some faceless idiot calls you and keep it on your hello kitty notepad beside the computer?

House of Writing Stuff Down. See, we call it that because it's a house where we write stuff down.

...only heard that they had free esctasy at the bar with a sign that said only take one

ahhhh 1984!

A sarcasm font would be good. I wanna smoke out with StonedRanger!

I wish you could see me crying, honey.

Awwww Jamo did your little feelers get hurt because I said your band sucks?

I'll call your mom here in a minute and have her send you a cookie bouquet to make you feel all better.

mmmmkay?

K.

yeah, J-emo actually is pretty funny. The anon player haters are actually getting so stupid these days that I think they are starting to annoy themselves.

actually, what you percieve as whining is a reaction to your own fucking whining, don't drive out to denton if you don't want to asshole!

that's it, no more "whining" from me, you can have your opinion and suck mine or whatever dood

ps. pubeless?

lets recount:

1. gaywad
2. pubeless
3. freshman art student (wtf dood)
4. rich kid (double wtf dood)
5. j-emo (actually kind of funny)

Isn't everybody from the Starck era dead from a coke overdose? That was a while ago.

3:52's probably in Fra Pandolf.

Seems like a lot of whining comes from the whole Fra, URTU, house of whatever clan...

and by the way, do you know anything about the starck club?

sheesh. no problem JS... you can understand why I get defensive though, can't you? There needs to be a sarcasm font.

344, stay at home with the Feds. I don't want to wait along time in the Jack in the Box line after shows. So thanks!

hey JR... I deleted that comment because I was afraid it would be taken wrong. I was totally kidding you. I was just trying to give some kind of insight to the starck club. Don't ever sell this blog to clear channel... unless they are paying in bong hits.

...and no no, share the information.

suck my opinion would make a great shirt, by the way. And my comment was directed at 342, not the others.

Just make sure you send the "Suck My Opinion" proceeds to my male-box!

do you realize that pretty soon no one will get pissed off at those kinds of comments anymore, and will just laugh at them? I'm all for being critical, especially of established players in the local music scene when they deserve it, but try to add a little depth to them.

I just remember when it used to be worth driving to Denton for shows.

at least we can agree on hogpig and record hop. and we can also agree that "suck my opinion" would make a great tshirt for we shot jr!

If the best Denton can offer is annoying adub, lift to experienc wannabe emil, a bunch of pubeless noiserockers, dullass Shiny Around The Edges, Fake Country, scene pope Scott porter, and the masd scientists, well that town is fucked.

I said I'll give you Hogpig and I mentioned Record Hop earlier.

Fra Pandolf just tries too hard to be a Sonic Youth boy band.

White Drugs, saw them once, they had their moments, but need some practice, they were a little sloppy.

Or I may have been sloppy who knows.

Suck my opinion.

oh no, the thread was right, its just that JS erased his comment. I'd still like you to answer my question though, sir.

Trust me, whenever I sell this blog to Clear Channel and start making a ton of money off of all the anon dumbasses that hate this blog but come here every day, I'll be sure to hire a fact checker just for you, ok buddy?

Hogpig sucked on Friday night.

cool Jamo, I'll add them on. JJs really needs to advertise a bit better.

3:32 is just trying to start shit. You're telling me White Drugs, Record Hop, and Fra Pandolf are no good? Now youre just being goofy.

oops, wrong thread with ol' 331 there.

I'm with 3:31. The styles are wide ranging with a litttle metal, a little weeed, and a little noise thrown in, but that's a good chunk of bands. Trying to think of more. Do you mean like Stonesy type rock music? Like garage type stuff?

HEY SD!

the other bands on the J&J's bill are:

ABIKU (from baltimore)
IDI AMIN
and ANDREW MICHAEL

this is a houseoftinnitus production.

I think I can safely say that White Drugs is a ROCK band.

I'll give you Hogpig, but the others? c'mon.

so JS, tell me what you would like to see me do when I have some information on a band or an event that I don't know first hand but think people might be interested in reading:

1. ignore it all together
2. give the information and disclose the fact that I don't know it first hand
3. pretend that its my personal opinion and act like I know everything

I'll be really interested to hear this.

Name some of these rock bands...

I'd say between Record Hop, White Drugs, Fra Pandolf, jetscreamer, and Hogpig, there's quite a good rock scene in denton.

Remember when there were ROCK bands in Denton?

That was nice.

I mean Record Hop is fun and all but are there any real rock acts that aren't metal?

Tober Omi is also playing that Dada show. Good Tom Waits/Fugazi/Lonesome Organist thing going on with those guys.

Denton is the new Brokeback Mountain.

yeah, read what I wrote about them. Its clear that they are my favorite band in the world!

i mean shit, they are called THE MAD SCIENTISTS.

Alright, somebody from this stupid blog needs to actually go to a show for once. the second mad scientists plug? are you serious? this is like a joke for yall right?
i see some of the bands yall bash and you give praise to the mad scientists? your just trying to be cool by acting like you like shit.